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[Havana Slim]

So I'm getting the idea that what your players are good at depends on two things. First, what their set potential is and second, what you choose to train. So that unless a players potential is really low on some of the skills, you can not max him out in all skills. Is this correct?

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Alacranes 9*

[Philgil]

yup that is correct

[breakboy forever]

Set potential and what you chose to train do not ALWAYS determine how good your player is. Actually, from what I heard is that its the players MOOD and the skill he has. Also, you can max any player out in anything, but I wouldn't recommend it if the player does not train in that skill very well. (IE : a 1B shouldn't have a good arm potential and skill because he wouldn't use the throwing power as often as a right fielder or a center fielder.)

Hope this helps.
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[Havana Slim]

[breakboy forever]

That question, I have no answer of. Maybe someone else can help you out. I have never had 1 player maxed in ALL skills, because he shouldn't. That either means you leave him on the bench to long, or your not training the other players to top potential.
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[redbirds33]

Some players lose skills faster than others, but all players have the same potential max. The hitting skills may be an exception because it can be very difficult to max even the best hitters. Sometimes you will get many .01 gains in a row without being maxed. If you're simultaneously maxing them all, you will know they are all maxed when they sort in the exact same order as on your team page. To max in pitch, throw, catch, & run you must be persistant & patient, but all players can do it. Trust me; it's true.

[Havana Slim]

All players have the same max? Hmmm, that doesn't seem right, as some of my players can't improve more than 0.01 in pitch given the same amount of training that another player who is still getting solid 1s and the former is 5th in pitch while the latter is 1st. I'm not saying it's wrong, just doesn't seem right. Very usefull answers though, thanks all.
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Alacranes 9*

[epiphanic]

Havana,

You basically got it. At the risk of repeating what other people have said, I'm going to attempt to synthesize your questions and thoughts with other peoples explanations.

When a team is created its 12 players are generated each with a slightly different "genetic code." It is this "inborn" ability that gives each player his special abilities and make him better at somethings than others.. Each player has the ability to Run, Hit (Contact, Power, and Skill), and Catch. The player's ratings* (for example 80/100) in a given category determine how good they are. Player A with a Run skill of 75 is faster than Player B with a Run skill of 50.

It is important to note, however, that each player does not necessarily have a "skill ceiling" of 100 in each category. Some may have a ceiling in Run of 60. You can keep training him in run, but he doesn't have the ability to go faster, he's reached his ceiling. As redbirds33 pointed out, each player loses his skills at different rates. Player A may lose Contact faster than Power, or Run faster than Catch, or any other combination.

To make it all the more difficult we, as trainers, don't know at what skill level each player is and don't know how fast they lose a given skill. That knowledge is inferred from training (you'll get the feel for that).

In short, the varying "skill ceilings" and skill loss rates make it very difficult to max out a player in all the given skills. I think it may be possible, but you need to train perfectly (and given imperfect information, that is a tall order). I hope this clears everything up for you and didn't confuse you too much.

*It is not known that skill levels are on a base 100-type scale, it's just something to illustrate the idea.
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[nelmo]

[Havana Slim]

OK, great, great stuff Nelmo and epiphanic. But one question arises Nelmo. If maxed players suck, but continuosly improving players are the true stars, isn't that the same as saying that you got stuck with a low "ceiling" player and therefore its time to buy a rookie or scrap the team altogether if you have several like that? Because if what you are saying is that a real good manager can max any player but in doing so destroys his team, then I don't know what the point of the game is. It must be the case that some if not most players can not be maxed either because their ceilings in all the skills are too high and there is not enough daily pie or because skill loss has the same effect. That would make sense.
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Alacranes 9*

[redbirds33]

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[nelmo]

[Havana Slim]

You have all been terrific and I thank you. I'm going to continue with my observation of my team's training results, bearing in mind all that was said here. I'm sure I'll want to revisit this topic in the future.
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Alacranes 9*

[dtown]

Hers my 2 cents

Players do not all max at same points for any skill

Skill Max/Skill Loss

You will often have a few players that refuse to move off the bottom of the sort chart. Those players usually hold there skill well so running a scouting report now and then to know how those players rank in offense and defense is a big help. There is no sense in pounding them multiple days on that same weak skill. It is a waste because they will not max much higher.

Sometimes you have players that will shoot up a sort list after training, to then the next day be down towards the bottom again. That is like the above scenario but the player is losing skill faster when there skill is higher or they just lose it fast regardless. Again a scouting report once every 2-3 weeks will really help you gage how often to train certain players in there biggest weaknesses.


Sorry its early, what I said makes sense to me, hope it does to you too