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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:16 am    Post subject: PL woes
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I'm a ST nine-star in PL-8. However, no matter how, I am not able to defeat DT 9-stars. Can't a ST team succeed or is success in the PL confined to DT teams?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:03 am    Post subject:
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Yes, we just had one in PL1....
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:14 am    Post subject:
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Check out team 86288...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:30 am    Post subject:
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I took my Lugnuts to PL 4 as an ST team. I couldn't get them out of PL 4 so I DT'ed them, one and half years later they are still in PL 4 Confused Keep training and don't give up, a strong ST team is better than an average DT team!!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:16 am    Post subject:
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I have ST teams in PL 5 ,6, & 7. It's been taking me about 3 or 4 seasons to move up so far. I assume it will take longer as I try to move up. At this point I don't think it is because just about all teams I play are DT but because the trainers are VERY GOOD!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:43 am    Post subject:
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Exactly. SmallBall teams can achieve the same success with ST or DT. It may be more effecient to train in DT, but it isn't more effective. You've made it to 9* with an ST trained team, keep at it, you'll get the breaks eventually. To quote the great Mo: ST 4 Life!
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Lets be completely honest..........in the 5 years I have been here only Zach's team has reached PL1, and Money's team has come close. Kyle, and 2cool have had success as 10* and high pro leagues, but thats about it. Maybe I have forgotten one or two teams, but the number of overachieving ST teams are very few. The above average ST teams, I have seen that are able to compete vs a above average DT team, can be counted on one hand. Thats a lot of seasons, and a lot of teams.

Can you be above average and stay in the top levels as a ST? YES

Is it likely? NO



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:28 pm    Post subject:
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I'm just a rook, but I believe Nelmo. Basically, you are playing with a handicap. I also think that if you don't have at least 6 lefties, you are at a disadvantage as well, brickyard and ocean are popular parks and very hard for righty teams to win there.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject:
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Havana Slim wrote:
I'm just a rook, but I believe Nelmo. Basically, you are playing with a handicap. I also think that if you don't have at least 6 lefties, you are at a disadvantage as well, brickyard and ocean are popular parks and very hard for righty teams to win there.


Yep, you are a rook.
My 10 righties team is a PL2 team. My favorite team, 8 lefties in Ocean, has bounced between 5th and 3rd PL for about 130 seasons.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:59 am    Post subject:
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Havana Slim wrote:
I'm just a rook, but I believe Nelmo. Basically, you are playing with a handicap. I also think that if you don't have at least 6 lefties, you are at a disadvantage as well, brickyard and ocean are popular parks and very hard for righty teams to win there.


Yep, you are a rook.
My 10 righties team is a PL2 team. My favorite team, 8 lefties in Ocean, has bounced between 5th and 3rd PL for about 130 seasons.


Man you are one useless piece of work. So you have one team with righties doing well and one team with lefties doing badly. You don't even realize how useless this tiny anecdotal "evidence" is, do you? Why don't you stick to what you know best, intimidating little teenage boys by criticizing their posts and waxing nostalgic about the glory days.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:22 am    Post subject:
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I have a nine righty team (two of the lefties are pitchers) that have been in PL3 for a while now. I also have a 10 righty team that has spent most of the time in PL4 and 5. My best games are won in Ocean Park.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:55 am    Post subject:
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On all three of my ST teams, two teams have one lefty and one has two leftys. Would I like more leftys? Sure why not. I will not worry about it and I still intend for my ST teams to keep advancing up the PLs no matter what obstacles we meet.
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I wasn't saying that having lefties is absolutely necessary to have a good, or even a great team. I'm was offering the opinion that all other things being equal (which of course, they never are) more lefties gives you a bit of an advantage.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject:
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Havana Slim wrote:
The_Safo wrote:
Havana Slim wrote:
I'm just a rook, but I believe Nelmo. Basically, you are playing with a handicap. I also think that if you don't have at least 6 lefties, you are at a disadvantage as well, brickyard and ocean are popular parks and very hard for righty teams to win there.


Yep, you are a rook.
My 10 righties team is a PL2 team. My favorite team, 8 lefties in Ocean, has bounced between 5th and 3rd PL for about 130 seasons.


Man you are one useless piece of work. So you have one team with righties doing well and one team with lefties doing badly. You don't even realize how useless this tiny anecdotal "evidence" is, do you? Why don't you stick to what you know best, intimidating little teenage boys by criticizing their posts and waxing nostalgic about the glory days.


Wow, where did all that hostility come from?
You've been around about two months, think you have it figured out and jump on someone if that they respond differently to your theory.
If you're going to put out an opinion, don't expect all to agree Grow up, let others state what they think.
OOPS. sorry, you must be one of the teenage boys I love to intimidate. Didn't mean to scare you.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject:
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Lets be completely honest..........in the 5 years I have been here only Zach's team has reached PL1, and Money's team has come close. Kyle, and 2cool have had success as 10* and high pro leagues, but thats about it. Maybe I have forgotten one or two teams, but the number of overachieving ST teams are very few. The above average ST teams, I have seen that are able to compete vs a above average DT team, can be counted on one hand. Thats a lot of seasons, and a lot of teams.

Can you be above average and stay in the top levels as a ST? YES

Is it likely? NO



Thats the truth, you can belive it or not.


I don't post here that much anymore, but felt I had to since I only seen one point of view and one I didn't agree with. Smallball is a game that will frustrate the hell out of you. Its a game of endurance that will have your players changing and playing differently from time to time. Just when you have them playing well, all of the sudden they change. Thats why you have to mix things up every once in a while, and being able to focus train on particular skills is a advantage. In DT its easily done, but not in ST. Since the DT came out in 2001 there has never been a ST champion, and using Zach's team as a way to show it could be done, is overrated. Why? because that is one team out of thousands that have tried with ST. In fact, Zach was at one point so frustrated at being in pl3 for a year straight, that he dropped out. I see this thread was made with the intentions of finding out if a ST could be as good as a DT, not parks or lefties, or how you manage, just ST vs DT. The facts speak for themselves by there never being a ST champion, and one team in 5 years making it to PL1. With so many good trainers retiring, maybe it will be easier nowadays, its up to you to try.

My advice is, if its fun for you to keep training ST, then that is what matters. But.......if your serious about advancing and expect to make a run at a championship, you will need a DT.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject:
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So then what you are saying Nelmo is unless you spend some cash on this site, you don't have a chance of winning.
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So then what you are saying Nelmo is unless you spend some cash on this site, you don't have a chance of winning.


And doesn't that make sense? If I owned this site I'd be trying to make enough money on it to be able to live off it and thus have more time to devote to improving it. Many games offer a free but badly crippled team which is ok for learning the game, but need immediate "upgrade" after that.
This game is better than most, in that you can actually compete to pretty high levels without spending money. If you want to try to compete with the higher level teams though, you are going to have to spend a little money or win the tools in a tourney. Another great feature here, is that you can actually make money or at least break even by playing the market at wall st or yard.
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Exactly, if the DT, Super Rookies,lefties, parks, and other tickets were not of any use, why get them. The game was made to make money, and to be competitive vs others that have spent money, you will also have to spend. Most teams when started always have a lame player or two. Thats put there on purpose, so you will spend a little extra on a super rookie, to get to the level that others that have are at. AndNow letting you play this game for free was a way of sucking you into the competition. The free DT fridays was also put in so you would get a taste, and go ahead and spend money.

But, spending money nowadays isn't something I would recommend to anyone. If the owners do not ever come back, the dying of the game is unavoidable. So have fun training in ST, and look to get better for your own personal goals, and not to win PL1.
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