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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:31 pm    Post subject: Let us discuss more math!
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Okay, here's a question for you guys...

Because I cannot use a radical, I will use ^-1 to mean square root...

If, -a X -a = a (positive) then why does i X i = -1?

Discuss that one...

PS - for you lowerlings, i is not just some variable as 'a' is in the first equation... i is the imaginery number equal to (-1)^-1 (or the square root of negative one)

The reason i was named is because there is not a possible way that any number squared can equal negative one.

Let's see who can come up with this concept...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:33 pm    Post subject:
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I may be WAY off, but if ^2 * ^2 = 2, then it stands that the squaring and square root is itself.

Here's something that blew my mind,

Let a=x

a+x = 2X, subtract 2a from both sides, giving

-a+x = 2x - 2a, factor the 2,

-a+x = 2(-a+x), divide by (-a+x) and you get

1 = 2
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:37 pm    Post subject:
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The basic, easy explaination is that i is an imaginary number (not real), so the standard rules of algebra can't always be applied in scenarios involving i.

On the other hand, if i is the square root of negative one, it's only logical that by multiplying it by itself, you are squaring it, and by squaring it, you are performing the inverse of the square root function, and thus can assume that the number inside the square root remains the same.

In other words, if f(x)=x^2 and (f^-1)(x)=x^(1/2), then f[(f^-1)(x)]=x.

*x^2 denotes x squared, (f^-1)(x) denotes the inverse function of f(x), x^(1/2) denotes x raised to the power of one-half (which is the same as the square root of x), f[(f^-1)(x)] is the composition of the function f(x) with its inverse function (f^-1)(x).

I confused myself a little here, but I think what I typed makes sense.
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epiphanic wrote:
I may be WAY off, but if ^2 * ^2 = 2, then it stands that the squaring and square root is itself.

Here's something that blew my mind,

Let a=x

a+x = 2X, subtract 2a from both sides, giving

-a+x = 2x - 2a, factor the 2,

-a+x = 2(-a+x), divide by (-a+x) and you get

1 = 2


The problem with that is that if a=x, then -a+x=0. Divide by 0 error, anyone? Wink

It does seem foolproof though, without really thinking about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:51 pm    Post subject:
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Yea Durin! You guys figured it out alot quicker than I did. Good work.
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Math makes me throw-up. It really does. Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:20 am    Post subject:
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Yea Durin! You guys figured it out alot quicker than I did. Good work.


Ah, well, I have to admit I'd seen that before in my AP calculus class, where my teacher had to show us what was wrong. Embarassed

Even after that, it took my a while to figure it out again, but I knew it had something to do with dividing by 0! Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:43 am    Post subject:
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In another thread, I asked for the square root of i and no one responded. i has two square roots and they both lie in the field of complex numbers (all complex numbers have two square roots in the field)

Hint: The field of complex numbers can be represented a a two dimensional field with real numbers being the x axis and imaginary numbers the y axis. The square root of i has to have an absolute value of 1.
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Math makes me throw-up. It really does. Mad


*hypnotizing voice* 2 + 2 = 4. 2 + 2 = 4! *end hypnotizing voice*

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What Durin said is, to the best of my knowledge, basically right. i is an imaginary number, thus basic rules of algebra can't always be applied to it.
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The basic, easy explaination is that i is an imaginary number (not real), so the standard rules of algebra can't always be applied in scenarios involving i.


This is not true, the standard rules of algebra apply to imaginary and complex numbers.
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Math may actually give me a good scholarship.

I made a 27 on my ACT test, and made a 35(out of 36.. meaning I missed 1 question out of 60) in Math.
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The basic, easy explaination is that i is an imaginary number (not real), so the standard rules of algebra can't always be applied in scenarios involving i.


This is not true, the standard rules of algebra apply to imaginary and complex numbers.


Heh, I wasn't sure about that so a little later on in the post, I sort of disproved myself on that. Wink

I'll work on your square root of i problem as soon as I have time. Very Happy
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The solution to the square root of i can be found at the following website:



http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/questionCorner/rootofi.html
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